MARTIN - Get with the program, its the same constitution that allowed your future generations savings to be transfered to Haliburton and Exxon, murdered over a million Iraqis, lets Kissenger walk free, assassinated Allende and Lumumba, distributes weapons of mass destruction to undemocratic states and others that refuse to obey U.N. resolutions.

There is hardly a U.S. president alive who should not be infront of a human rights court and you think this is the issue?

You think the last straw is FISA? Dont you remember the Rio Summit chaired by Gorbachev when Bush Snr refused to protect the environment, later Kyoto, not to mention the ban on Land Mines.

We are talking about a country that elected George W Bush, TWIICE!!!! and you are proposing a sane argument to the electorate?????????????????????????? I tell you what, pose your argument to Paris Hilton and if she gets it I will follow you around the world.

Michale,

You probably should have stuck to your technique of evasion and obfuscation, because I literally destroyed you in this debate.

The ACLU position on the new FISA bill:

The FAA violates the Fourth Amendment because it allows the government to gobble up the constitutionally protected communications of American citizens and residents without getting individualized warrants, and without specifying the time, place or length of the surveillance, and not specifying how the info gathered will be disseminated, or how long it"ll be kept. (You know, the who/what/where/when/why.)

The FAA also violates the First Amendment by chilling lawful expressive speech without adequate justification by authorizing the government to intercept constitutionally protected communications without judicial oversight.

The challenged law violates the principle of separation of powers by allowing the government to continue surveillance activities even if the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court has deemed those activities illegal.

Next stop.... court.

@tommybones

}}}}}Okay, so your entire argument is based on a lie or ignorance.

No, it's based on the facts...

It's simply NOT possible to differentiate between American communications and other communications without any sort of monitoring or analyzing of the communication itself.

These are the facts whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

This is why I said at the very beginning of this long running marathon debate that FISA is ill-equipped for CT operations.

Michale.....

@tommybones

OK, let's approach this from a different perspective..

It's a fact that telecommunications are world-wide.

There is no American communication lines and British communication lines and German communication lines.

It's worldwide...

This being the case, it's IMPOSSIBLE to know what kinds of communications are being monitored until they are analyzed...

Using your reasoning, because communications MIGHT be American, intelligence authorities cannot monitor ANY communications.

That is a fallacy that does not take into account the very real dangers that exist in today's world.

Michale.....