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- lindastrawberry See Profile I'm a Fan of lindastrawberry permalink

thankyou for writing this. i am so glad this is not going away. EQUAL RIGHTS is the issue. and i hope the gay community never stops fighting for their rights. I will always stand behind them.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 11/15/2008
- Clarknt67 See Profile I'm a Fan of Clarknt67 permalink

Speaking of Kristallnacht, on the recent anniversary, Jewish leaders have come out swinging at the Mormons. The issue? LDS's posthumous baptizing jewish holocaust victims, without survivor's permission into the LDS faith.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1036093.html

"Holocaust survivors said Monday they are through trying to negotiate with the Mormon Church over posthumous baptisms of Jews killed in Nazi concentration camps, saying the church has repeatedly violated a 13-year-old agreement barring the practice.

Ernest Michel, honorary chairman of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors, said at a news conference in New York City on Monday, "Baptism of a Jewish Holocaust victim and then merely removing that name from the database is just not acceptable," said Michel, whose parents died at Auschwitz. He spoke on the 70th anniversary of Kristallnacht, the Nazi-incited riots against Jews.

"We ask you to respect us and our Judaism just as we respect your religion," Michel said in a statement released ahead of the news conference. "We ask you to leave our six million Jews, all victims of the Holocaust, alone, they suffered enough."

These people are serious nutcases. The Jews have been negotiating with them for 14 years. The result? "FRUITLESS"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 11/14/2008
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    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 11/11/2008
- indyleftist See Profile I'm a Fan of indyleftist permalink

It seems to me that people should be mad at Obama and the democratic party just as much as the mormons. They don't support homosexual rights eithe
When Joe Biden and Sarah Palin said they had the same policy on gay rights in the debate I didn't hear a peep out of most the of the democrats.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 AM on 11/11/2008
- mercury613 See Profile I'm a Fan of mercury613 permalink

That's a gross oversimplification of what was actually said. This is from the debate transcript:

Ifil: Let's try to avoid nuance, Senator. Do you support gay marriage?

Biden: No. Barack Obama, nor I support redefining from a civil side, what constitutes marriage. We do not support that. That is basically a decision that is to be left to the faiths and people who practice their faiths, determination what you call it. The bottom line is, I'm glad to hear the Governor, I'll her her at her word, obviously. That she thinks there should be no civil rights distinction -- none whatsoever, between a committed gay couple and a committed heterosexual couple. If that's the case, we really don't have a difference.

Ifil: [to Palin] Is that what you said?

Palin: Uh, your question to him was whether he supported gay marriage. And my answer is the same as his in -- that I do not.

Ifil: Wonderful, you agree....
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Palin skirted the question (as usual). Neither she nor Biden support legalizing same-sex marriage, but the similarities end there.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 11/11/2008
- indyleftist See Profile I'm a Fan of indyleftist permalink

Exactly, Biden and Palin agree on the legal status of homosexuals
The same agreement that the state of California has

On a side note: its really sad how Gwen Ifil asked the question
Let's try to avoid substance? Are she supposed to be a journalist?